RM dethroned by a public course

[Bruce]

The difference between being rated 90 and 60 is how many raters include it on their list. The GA list will move a lot based on 3 extra raters. I'd need to look harder for the GD list we are discussing here as they have a stupid number of people that haven't seen anything on their list.

Country tracks definitely suffer from this. Narooma should probably sit in the 50-70 tier somewhere.

[markTHEblake]

Whats the normal green fee at RM?
The senior OOM just opened for entries and they want $250

[Sydney Hacker]

The difference between being rated 90 and 60 is how many raters include it on their list. The GA list will move a lot based on 3 extra raters. I'd need to look harder for the GD list we are discussing here as they have a stupid number of people that haven't seen anything on their list.

Country tracks definitely suffer from this. Narooma should probably sit in the 50-70 tier somewhere.

I’ll bite, how many are on the GA panel, and how many of the 100 have they seen?

[petethepilot]

SH,
I can’t tell you how many for the recent GA mag top 100 but the 2022 ranking was done by 35 course raters. I would suspect between 40 and 50 for the latest list. All of the raters that I know personally (at least 5) really know there GCA sh*t and travel extensively. The GA editor (who has just left the mag) used to require each rater to visit at least 25 different courses in a rating period. All up, I think 163 courses were rated for the latest list. In addition, there were 10 courses that withdrew from ranking as they were undertaking reno’s etc plus some that don’t wish to be rated (Ellerston, Capital in melb). Bruce is correct that more plays tend to make it easier to climb up the list…as the ranking scores will have an element of a Bell curve. A lot of visits are done on the quiet. Most of the raters I know, pay a green fee and do not indicate that they are doing a rating on a visit. The rater I know best would have seen approximately 60 of the top 100 in the last 4 years…and probably 95/100 in the last 8 years!

[3Puttpete]

Whats the normal green fee at RM?
The senior OOM just opened for entries and they want $250

Bargain

[petethepilot]

Somewhat more than $250 unless you have a member introduction or are reciprocal.

[simmsy]

Whats the normal green fee at RM?
The senior OOM just opened for entries and they want $250

$500
I was looking to book a trip there next year, somewhere between March and June and they said they couldn't take my booking due to large retic works that they are carrying out.

[ParkRoyal]

SH,
I can’t tell you how many for the recent GA mag top 100 but the 2022 ranking was done by 35 course raters. I would suspect between 40 and 50 for the latest list. All of the raters that I know personally (at least 5) really know there GCA sh*t and travel extensively. The GA editor (who has just left the mag) used to require each rater to visit at least 25 different courses in a rating period. All up, I think 163 courses were rated for the latest list. In addition, there were 10 courses that withdrew from ranking as they were undertaking reno’s etc plus some that don’t wish to be rated (Ellerston, Capital in melb). Bruce is correct that more plays tend to make it easier to climb up the list…as the ranking scores will have an element of a Bell curve. A lot of visits are done on the quiet. Most of the raters I know, pay a green fee and do not indicate that they are doing a rating on a visit. The rater I know best would have seen approximately 60 of the top 100 in the last 4 years…and probably 95/100 in the last 8 years!

Pete of the 10 not rated, I can think of Commo, Huntingdale, Royal Sydney, Long Island, maybe Mount Lawley, what others?

Also does anyone know where Capital would go, would even be top 100?

[WBennett]

Just watched Tour SauceThe erosion on 18 is wicked.Won't be long before they have to rebuild the hole or reroute

[Shadesy]

Pete of the 10 not rated, I can think of Commo, Huntingdale, Royal Sydney, Long Island, maybe Mount Lawley, what others?Also does anyone know where Capital would go, would even be top 100?

Links Kennedy Bay used to be top 30 and is still being redone… what I’ve seen is it’s not automatic top 50. Had a free hit and fluffed it. With all the amazing work in Tassie and 7Mile and Wickham, the decided to build a “championship” course !Might get top 100… maybe.Mount Lawley will be back in.

[petethepilot]

Pete of the 10 not rated, I can think of Commo, Huntingdale, Royal Sydney, Long Island, maybe Mount Lawley, what others?

Also does anyone know where Capital would go, would even be top 100?

PR, the ones I know of….

Kew
Nash LI
Comm
Huntingdale
Indooroopilly
Royal Sydney
Links Kennedy Bay
Mt Lawley

plus

Capital (melb)
Ellerston

[LeftyHoges]

It asks the same question every hole.Drive between these same two bunkers. Play a high approach in to the pin.No elevation changes. Not a lot of drama or wow other than a statue. It's just ... Nice but meh

You seem to have an issue with a course that demands you either lay up and take your medicine for doing so, or take on the ballsy drive and get rewarded for it if you pull it off and suffer the consequences if you don't. This is the epitome of the game. Then again you like blind tee shots and approaches, approach shots where you have to hit the ball 60 feet offline and hope for the correct bounce, greens with elephants buried in them, and compulsory fairway woods / hybrids / irons off par 5's.

Black Bull is a target golfers wet dream, so I guess I can see why it doesn't appeal to you.

[Webster]

Nick,

Black Bull is rubbish, you don't have a clue.

You should probably be on the GD panel though (if not already).

[LeftyHoges]

Nick,

Black Bull is rubbish, you don't have a clue.

You should probably be on the GD panel though (if not already).

It's not rubbish at all. It's classic risk / reward target golf. If you're hitting driver well then you take on those bunkers all day long, they're not overly penal anyway, most you can easily play your next shot to the green from. If you're not hitting the big dog well, but go for it anyway you're in them, or worse in the various pieces of water scattered throughout. But the course gives you just enough rope to hang yourself. Otherwise lay up and suffer the consequences.

I'm not saying it's a masterpiece by any stretch, but I can't name a better course on the Murray.

If I was on the panel they'd have to dismiss my votes anyway, I'd be well outside both ends of the bell curves...

[Webster]

Ok then, you've just removed any lingering doubts. Black Bull is not in any way strategic. It's incredibly mind blowingly boring on a featureless piece of land. Classic TWP crap.

Murray Downs is miles better. So too Cobram old, Yarrawonga, a few others probably.

[Benje]

What Webster said...... I wouldn't have been as blunt but my conclusion is exactly the same.

[Hatchman]

It’s easy to agree Black Bull is boring and uninspiring. Feels like you’re playing the same holes over and after 4-5 holes in.

[thecollective]

‘Golf’s place is straight down the middle of the fairway’


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[petethepilot]

I disagree TC. I reckon the biggest thrills, rewards and disasters happen at the edges of the fairways!

[thecollective]

I disagree TC. I reckon the biggest thrills, rewards and disasters happen at the edges of the fairways!

Well you’re one of those wankers aren’t you.


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[LeftyHoges]

Ok then, you've just removed any lingering doubts. Black Bull is not in any way strategic. It's incredibly mind blowingly boring on a featureless piece of land. Classic TWP crap.

Murray Downs is miles better. So too Cobram old, Yarrawonga, a few others probably.

How is it not strategic? Your strategy is the first choice of do I risk going for it and inviting trouble, or laying up shorter and making things more difficult for myself. From there you can shape your chosen shot any way you want. Some might be a carry, some might be a shape around a bunker or off a small mound / slope. The green complexes are solid, there's nothing stupid anywhere to be seen. Everything is in front of you, nothing is hidden. Again, I'm not saying its a masterpiece, but it's a very solid golf course that requires thought, skill, precision and execution.

I haven't played Murray Downs so can't comment there, but Yarrawonga, seriously? I thought those were very underwhelming, and even had the Lake course above the Murray.

I enjoyed Cobram Old, but there was a lot of same-same holes there too, and I think I'd take Black Bull over it, at worst a 5/5 split.

[petethepilot]

Well you’re one of those wankers aren’t you.


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Takes one apparently!

[thecollective]

Takes one apparently!

to know one, Indeed!

Course guides, $100 GCA books and a regular contribution on Golf Course Atlas

[PeterCool]

So I have heard in a podcast with the editor of the mag that only 8 players played both Cape W and RM.

There were also comments that some of the players had handicaps above 30 who reviewed them.

They also said that if the composite course was included CW would have been a distant second.

I think a top 100 is too many courses to review in 2 years. We should only have a top 50.

[PeterCool]

I’ll bite, how many are on the GA panel, and how many of the 100 have they seen?

in the podcast I heard he said about 250 people are on the review panel